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Poster: summerseve Date: May 1, 2004 11:59pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: A new parody movie?

Just for the record, I for one feel this would be a perfectly valid thing to do. Not necessarily funny, but valid. It would be a perfectly legitimate use of the material on this site, and of your free speech rights. That's the thing about us "liberals"--we think the same rights apply to everyone, even if we disagree with them.
Anyway, speaking of vegetarianism and parody, this is a great little flash movie:
http://www.themeatrix.com/
Actually it's not really about vegetarianism, but close enough. The site suggests buying meat from family farms instead of factory farms, but the case is pretty much the same. And don't worry, there's no gory stuff.

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Poster: GersonK Date: May 3, 2004 7:32am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: A new parody movie?

> It would be a perfectly legitimate use of the
> material on this site, and of your free speech
> rights.

On striclty legal grounds, since the film in question has quite a few years before it falls into the public domain on its own and was uploaded under a "No Derivative Works" Creative Commons license, it would only be legit if you made an imitative work from scratch - as opposed to just making some selective edits to the original.

(If I were king of the archive, I think I'd find a new name for this collection. Open Source generally implies that the creators have sacrificed a good deal of their copyright. I'd also force submitters to either specify a creative commons license or check off "All" or "No" rights reserved. I think that would help decrease the notion that everything here is public domain.)

This post was modified by GersonK on 2004-05-03 14:32:48

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Poster: cashel Date: May 3, 2004 9:41am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: A new parody movie?

GersonK gave much uselul information. This led me to the internet site for the tv ad and other referenced sites. However, I cannot find any accreditation for the many photographs used in the tv ad. It is standard practice for documentary films to list the sources of any imagery used.Thus,I cannot determine the copyright status of this tv ad vegan film

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 3, 2004 2:07pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: A new parody movie?

Their use of the source material is fair use, and the whole completed work has their copyright. Public figures have a lot of control over how their images are used, but in a case like this, where they all probably would see the message as positive (and it does no damage to their careers), I doubt any of them would seek restitution.

This post was modified by ridetheory on 2004-05-03 21:07:17

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 2, 2004 10:13am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: A new parody movie?

Well, I wouldn't make that parody film because it's exactly the same logical fallacy in reverse. Yes, Hitler was a vegetarian, but that doesn't mean that vegetarianism is bad, it only means that a bad person was a vegetarian.

Nor does showing a bunch of nice people who are vegetarians prove that it is good.

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Poster: Hoss Firooznia Date: May 3, 2004 4:38am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: A new parody movie?

Hi folks, I'm the creator of the "Everyone's doing it..." spot.

Wow. Kudos to all on your sharp critical thinking skills; you're absolutely right -- just because famous people X, Y, and Z have done something doesn't mean you should do it too! Yay for skepticism! :-)

The idea of the ad was to debunk the popular myth that vegetarians are either fringe kooks, or anemic weaklings -- by featuring respected and/or buff vegetarians (e.g., olympian Carl Lewis). I'm also suggesting, indirectly, that being kind to animals is a good thing to do, because many thoughtful humanitarians (e.g., Albert Schweitzer, Susan B. Anthony) have made the conscious decision to do so. This is an argument from testimonial evidence, which can have merit if we have reason to believe the testimony comes from a credible source.

As to parodies: I'm not personally opposed to the idea, but I included the NoDerivs provision simply because I'm not sure the various narrators involved (about six in all) would consent to it. But I'd certainly be interested to see if someone could come up with a significant list of evil and/or despicable people who chose a vegetarian diet for humanitarian reasons.

Also, for the record, Hitler wasn't a vegetarian. That's another myth. See:

http://www.foodrevolution.org/askjohn/47.htm
http://www.vegsource.com/berry/hitler.html

Finally, thanks for all the helpful feedback! :-)

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Poster: summerseve Date: May 3, 2004 8:03am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: A new parody movie?

> It would be a perfectly legitimate use of the
> material on this site, and of your free speech
> rights.

Sorry I misspoke there. I didn't bother to look at the license.

For the record, I am a vegetarian AND a kook, but one probably shouldn't generalize from that...

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Poster: summerseve Date: May 2, 2004 11:43am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: A new parody movie?

Yeah, reminds me of those "public service announcements" where the latest lame sitcom star tells you how important it is to read to your kids, don't drink & drive, don't do drugs, buckle up, etc. So annoying, they almost make me want to do the opposite...

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